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#1 Goodie

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Posted 17 April 2016 - 09:12 PM

Consider the subject, the primary colors (subject, chos can). There are more than four (predicate, gsal ba). Because color of a white conch shell is also a primary color and it is not one with primary color white (reason, rtags).



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Posted 18 April 2016 - 10:36 AM

Tere is no pervasion(ma khyab). Although the reason is established (grub): color of a white conch shell is not one(gcig) with primary color white. But the color of a white conch shell and white color are mutually inclusive(don gcig).



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Posted 18 April 2016 - 03:18 PM

Your reason is not established (rtags ma grub): color of a white conch shell and white color are not mutually inclusive (don gcig).



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Posted 18 April 2016 - 04:06 PM

Right, they are mu sum(three possibilities): 

1. There is a color of a white conch shell which is a root white color;

2. There is a color of a white paper which is a root white color, but not a color of a white conch shell.

3. There is green grass - which is not a root white color, not color of a white conch shell  



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Posted 18 April 2016 - 04:48 PM

So, still there is no pervasion(ma khyab). Although the reason is established (grub): color of a white conch shell is not one(gcig) with primary color white. But the color of a white conch shell and white color have 3 possibilities(mu sum).

Consider the subject, the primary colors (subject, chos can). There are not more than four (predicate, gsal ba). Because a color of a white conch shell is a subset of the set: white color.



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Posted 18 April 2016 - 10:58 PM

Agree.

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Posted 18 April 2016 - 11:44 PM

Consider the subject, color of a white conch shell. It is also a set itself. Because color of a small white conch shell and color of a big white conch shell are its instances (members).

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Posted 19 April 2016 - 09:51 AM

Agree.

 

Consider the subject, the color of a cloud. It is a subset of the primary white color. Because color of a white cloud is a subset of primary white color.



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Posted 19 April 2016 - 10:20 AM

Reason is not established (rtag ma grub), because the subject of debate (the color of a cloud) and subject in the reason (color of a white cloud) are not the same.

Maybe it can also be correctly answered in this way:
There is no pervasion (ma khyab), because if instance of a set A is a subset of set B, it does not necessarily follow that whole set A is a subset of set B.

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Posted 19 April 2016 - 12:16 PM

One more variant could be: although the reason is established: true that a color of a white cloud is a subset of primary white color(by the way – I’m not sure what should we say in this situation: “rtag ma grub” or “grub”, because from one side it is true statement but from another side – no relations with predicate), but there is no pervasion (ma khyab) - color of a cloud is not a subset of primary white color because color of a cloud and color of a white cloud have 4 possibilities(mu shi):

1.    Color of a white cloud

2.    Color of a grey cloud

3.    Color of a white conch shell

4.    Color of a green grass






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