Khyenrab 0 Report post Posted June 9, 2004 Are there any? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micu 0 Report post Posted June 10, 2004 So blue is the ocean, Infinite is the mind. So bright are the heavens, Luminous is the mind. Expanse of heaven Meets with deep blue ocean. Union at horizon Takes me beyond breath. Heaven is bullshit. And hell the religion of fear. Man needs no God Freedom is innate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Khyenrab 0 Report post Posted June 10, 2004 And who is the author? Micu? Best regards, Khyenrab Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pamo 0 Report post Posted June 10, 2004 ..on Emptiness and beyond.... On Bodhichita the Compassionate Heart of the Enlightnemed Mind It is the supreme elixir that overcomes the sovereignity of death. It is the inexhaustible treasure that eliminates poverty in the world. It is the supreme medicine that quells the world's disease. It is the tree that shelters all beings wandering and tired on the path of conditioned existence. It is the universal bridge that leads to freedom from unhappy states of birth. It is the dawning moon of the mind that dispels the torment of disturbing conceptions. It is the great sun that finally removes the misty ignorance of the world. Shantideva Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Khyenrab 0 Report post Posted June 10, 2004 Still, Bodhicitta, as pricelessly precious as it is, is not Emptiness. Right? Thanks, Khyenrab Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pamo 0 Report post Posted June 10, 2004 Yes of course. On the other hand, maybe even not. The way I understand things now, I can not but meet It on the Path developing Bodhichitta. Would you agree? Anyway, there is a nice site from where I could read many interesting things, and beautiful ones, too; maybe you can, too. http://buddhism.kalachakranet.org/wisdom_e..._emptiness.html And also, you can find Milarepa's poems on the internet, or order books from, you know, Vale Novak or Konzorcij..or Amazon Books Store, like The Hundred Thousand Songs of Milarepa or Drinking the Mountain Stream...I, unfortunatelly don't have them at home. And another poem on Quietness, by Rumi: Inside this new love, die. Your way begins on the other side. Become the sky. Take an axe to the prison wall. Escape. Walk out like someone suddenly born into color. Do it now. You are covered with thick clouds. Slide out the side. Die, and be quite. Quitness is the surest sign that you've died. Your old life was frantic running from silence. The speechless full moon comes out now. I like it. Do you? Pamo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Khyenrab 0 Report post Posted June 10, 2004 I like it, though I shouldn't say it out loud . Rumi was Muslim. I am Buddhist. Have a nice day, Khyenrab Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Khyenrab 0 Report post Posted June 10, 2004 Yes of course. On the other hand, maybe even not. The way I understand things now, I can not but meet It on the Path developing Bodhichitta. Would you agree? I think it is said that first one must (to some extent) have a realized Bodhicitta - "others before me in all my actions" and have mental equipose (Shine) - to directly experience Emptiness. It is not the same, but the two terms are very much "complementary". Emptiness without Bodhicitta is possible - but full Enlightenment (Omniscience) isn't. Best regards, Khyenrab Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pamo 0 Report post Posted June 11, 2004 Hello, you say Emptiness without Bodhichitta is possible. What about Bodhichitta without Emptiness? I think not. Somehow, even only in relations with people and day to day occurances I have to try not to get stuck with whatever comes into my life - on my Path. No? Pamo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Khyenrab 0 Report post Posted June 11, 2004 Usually Bodhicitta has to be developed to some extent to first experience Emptiness directly. Knowing about Emptiness is not equal to the direct experiencing. Bodhicitta is much easier to develop when you know about Emptiness, the lack of self-inherent existence of all phenomena, but when the direct experience takes place, I feel, Bodhicitta must be very much present in you everyday motives, speech and actions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pamo 0 Report post Posted June 11, 2004 It must be so. You say knowing about Emptiness doesn't equal to directly experiencing It. Can I get There if I don't aim my walk towards It, at all? Pamo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Khyenrab 0 Report post Posted June 11, 2004 Very probably not. Best regards, Khyenrab Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Khyenrab 0 Report post Posted June 11, 2004 Not exactly about Emptiness, but still - a supremely beautiful poem: Maintain the state of undistractedness and distractions will fly off. Dwell alone and you shall find a friend. Take the lowest place and you shall reach the highest. Hasten slowly and you will soon arrive. Renounce all worldly goals and you shall reach the highest goal." - Milarepa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Khyenrab 0 Report post Posted June 14, 2004 Got a little bit (I hope not too) creative again. Absolutely new, fresh and for your eyes only. And please note that I am not an Enlightened Master. A well-off village-man came to see an honoured saint who lived on the top of a mountain. The saint was just preparing some tea when the visitor knocked on the door of the simple shack. The saint invited him in with a smile and offered the man some tea. They sat down on the floor and remained in silence for awhile. Then the village-man asked: "Master, what is Emptiness?" The saint was silent for a few minutes, slowly drank his tea, and then quietely answered: "In reality we are nothing. We are nowhere and we are going nowhere. And, in fact, we are doing nothing." There was silence in the shack, nothing but the wind outside could be heard. After ten minutes or so the village-man asked: "Master, I don't understand what you mean." The saint's prompt answer was: "Drink your tee quickly, it looks like it's going to rain, and you better get home to your family before it gets dark, during the night the mountain can be dangerous!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shenpen.Rinpoche 0 Report post Posted June 14, 2004 Usually Bodhicitta has to be developed to some extent to first experience Emptiness directlyI'm affraid I have to say it is not so. You indeed can realize Emptiness without Bodhicitta at all! This is how the Theravada (Hinayana) are getting out of Samara. Otherwise, it would means Hinayana could not realize Emptiness. Bodhicitta is much easier to develop when you know about Emptiness, the lack of self-inherent existence of all phenomena, but when the direct experience takes place, I feel, Bodhicitta must be very much present in you everyday motives, speech and actions. Again, you can realize directly Emptiness without Bodhictta, and Bodhicitta without Emptiness.Yet, true, the "full extend" of Bodhicitta is acheived when both (Bodhicitta & Emptiness) are realized. And, true again, Omniscience (Buddhahood of the Mahayana Path) can't be achieved without Bodhicitta. All the best, Gelong Shenphen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Khyenrab 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2004 Thank you very much for the clarification. Khyenrab Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Khyenrab 0 Report post Posted July 9, 2004 For the mind that masters view the emptiness dawns In the content seen not even an atom exists A seer and seen refined until they're gone This way of realizing view, it works quite well When meditation is clear light river flow There is no need to confine it to sessions and breaks Meditator and object refined until they're gone This heart bone of meditation, it beats quite well When you're sure that conduct's work is luminous light And you're sure that interdependence is emptiness A doer and deed refined until they're gone This way of working with conduct, it works quite well When biased thinking has vanished into space No phony facades, eight dharmas, nor hopes and fears, A keeper and kept refined until they're gone This way of keeping samaya, it works quite well When you've finally discovered your mind is dharmakÏya And you're really doing yourself and others good A winner and won refined until they're gone This way of winning results, it works quite well - Milarepa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atreju 0 Report post Posted August 7, 2004 Tashi Delek, If you are interested in the better understanding of Emptiness, here is a link to an excellent chapter of the book entitled "Virtue and Reality" by Lama Zopa Rinpoche: http://www.lamayeshe.com/lamazopa/vr/vr_4.shtml Greetings, Atreju Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites