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Tashi Delek

 

Does working with love gives birth to clear light realisation?! What does this means: "... ability to recognize subtle clear light, is equivalent to realizing nirvana..."?

Thank you for your answers!

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I thing it is good to work with pure love, cause that is what we are. Nirvana is realisation of thrue nature of emptines and it is enlightenment... I thing it is not called enlightenment with out a reason, nirvana is pure bliss and peace, even though it is not... Nirvana is realisation of non duality... I am just giving my own realisations, I am not actualy qualified to give you propper anwcers, so wait for some one who knows better ;)

Just trying to share my believes...

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Tashi delek,

Does working with love gives birth to clear light realisation?
Mental quietness meditation (Shine), as a 'preliminary', and meditation on emptiness do. Working with love brings merit, not Wisdom. Loving-kindness too should be practiced wisely, because:

 

"The Sage has taught that unskilled love

and compassion also become causes

of rebirth in unhappy destinies;

it was with skilful compassion in mind

that He called compassion a virtue."

~ Sakya Pandita Kunga Gyaltsen Pal Zangpo's "sDom gsum rab dbye"

 

As I understand, emptiness is the clear light nature of the mind, these two are not two different things. Realization of emptiness brings liberation from cyclic existence. This realization (of non-duality) however is not equal to the realization of complete Buddhahood, which is reached through the ten bodhisattva bhumis (levels) by practicing the Six Perfections with the motivation of Bodhicitta.

 

Best regards, K

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Nirvana is realisation of thrue nature of emptines and it is enlightenment...

We shall not mistaken Nirvana with complete Enlightenment. Nirvana is indeed realization of non-duality, of Emptiness, but it is not Omniscience.

When a Bodhisattva realizes Emptiness directly, He reaches the 1rst Bhumi (Pure Ground of Bodhisattvas). There are 10 Bhumis to become a Buddha, fully Enlightened, Omniscient.

 

As for the question of GnamDrug, it all depends what you do call “love”...

And, there are different Clear Lights, according to what process brings this Clear Light.

 

All the very best,

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Tashi Delek

 

How would i define "love". We'll first of i see it as a total commitment. But latter i started to wander how would this commitment manifest itself. I meditate a bit on that and than i came to conclusion that actually six paramitas are expression of love (in action). This is what i call "love", so my apologies if i before stated that in Buddhism we don't speak much about love!!! :angel:

 

My question about Clear Light refers to subject of topic "Ultimate reality" where conclusion was that what can be expressed as a God on the level of object, on the level of a subject is actually Clear Light experience. Here i quote Dalai Lama:

 

"...However, in the context of your question, the tantric tradition is the only one which explains the Dharmakaya in terms of Inherent clear light, the essential nature of the mind; this would seem imply that all phenomena, samsara and nirvana, arise from this clear and luminous source...

...We can say, therefore, that this ultimate source, clear light, is close to the notion of a Creator, since all phenomena, whether they belong to samsara or nirvana, originate therein. But we must be careful in speaking of this source, we must not be led into error...

... Likewise, when we speak of karma as the cause of the universe we eliminate the notion of a unique entity called karma existing totally independently. Rather, collective karmic impressions, accumulated individually, are at the origin of the creation of a world. When, in the tantric context, we say that all worlds appear out of clear light, we do not visualize this source as a unique entity, but as the ultimate clear light of each being...

... In this way, death and the intermediate state are moments where the gross manifestations emanating from clear light are reabsorbed. At death we return to that original source, and from there a slightly more gross state emerges to form the intermediate state preceding rebirth. At the stage of rebirth, clear light is apparent in a physical incarnation. At death we return to this source. And so on. The ability to recognize subtle clear light, also called the Primordial Buddha, is equivalent to realizing nirvana, whereas ignorance of the nature of clear light leaves us to wander in the different realms of samsaric existence...â€

 

So, the question is what does this means that Clear Light experience equals Nirvana. Does it means that there are different possible attainments that equals each other.

Of course if there are different Clear Lights can You clear the misconceptions about them?!

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